Comments on: Slippery Hagfish Elude Grasp in Life’s Tree http://theartfulamoeba.com/2010/10/23/slippery-hagfish-elude-grasp-in-lifes-tree/ A blog about the weird wonderfulness of life on Earth Fri, 07 Mar 2014 01:10:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.5.31 By: Jennifer Frazer http://theartfulamoeba.com/2010/10/23/slippery-hagfish-elude-grasp-in-lifes-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-703 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 23:04:05 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=3783#comment-703 Yes, that’s right about tunicates. And again, your hypothesis is indeed along the lines of what most biologists suspect.

All I have to say is: glad I’m not a hagfish. : )

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By: Christian Drake http://theartfulamoeba.com/2010/10/23/slippery-hagfish-elude-grasp-in-lifes-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-700 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:08:19 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=3783#comment-700 Sure, sure, I didn’t mean to imply they didn’t exist… obviously they did! Only why their tenure on Earth was so brief.

Tunicates have a free-swimming, bilaterally-symmetric larval stage, right? Something like a planktonic tadpole? I have to wonder if the first vertebrates were evolved from the juvenile forms of sessile species, retaining neotenic features and developing a spinal cord while they were at it.

And how do hagfish lay eggs? The same way I presumed babies were born when I was a kid: through their butts.

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By: Jennifer Frazer http://theartfulamoeba.com/2010/10/23/slippery-hagfish-elude-grasp-in-lifes-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-699 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:03:34 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=3783#comment-699 No, it’s just that the hagfish’s take-a-hike point from our last common ancestor is further up the tree than we thought. If they group with the lampreys as we originally though, they still share a common ancestor with us and bony fish, it’s just that there’s now a bigger gap between the branch point of the last common ancestor of today’s most complex invertebrates (amphioxus and tunicates, or sea squirts), and the lamprey-hagfish group. Which doesn’t mean those organisms didn’t exist, just that whatever form they took didn’t stick around.

Maybe whatever intermediate forms existed evolved very quickly from invertebrates to vertebrates, leaving little time to speciate. Your last two hypotheses seem sound to me, too.

One other final delightful hagfish detail I forgot to mention in the main post: the sperm and eggs of hagfish have no special duct to help them on their merry way. Instead, they are released directly into the body cavity of the hagfish, from which they must find their own way out, generally through an opening in the digestive tract, if wikipedia is to be believed. At least sperm can swim, but how on earth do the eggs get out, except maybe by overwhelming force of numbers? Well, on the other hand, perhaps unlike sperm, who are sure they know where they are going, the eggs are willing to stop and ask for directions.

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By: Christian Drake http://theartfulamoeba.com/2010/10/23/slippery-hagfish-elude-grasp-in-lifes-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-698 Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:50:42 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=3783#comment-698 Oy. In a fit of pique, I once called someone a “hagfish,” the worst insult I could come up with in the moment. Once my non-biologist friends looked up what a hagfish is, they all said I was way out of line, which I had to agree I was.

So, the point of the recent study is that hagfish are not the ancestors of today’s cartilaginous and bony fish? Too bad, I suppose, but at some point, “missing links” have got to be inferred, rather than found. (Especially when those things don’t have bones.) Can’t collect ’em all. If the hagfish isn’t the missing link, I wonder, instead, why the missing link went extinct. Perhaps there was no happy medium between the vertebrate and invertebrate that our jawless fishes couldn’t better exploit? Maybe it pays to choose to have a backbone, or not?

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