Comments on: The Borg of the Microbes Takes Up . . . Farming? http://theartfulamoeba.com/2011/01/26/the-borg-of-the-microbes-takes-up-farming/ A blog about the weird wonderfulness of life on Earth Fri, 07 Mar 2014 01:10:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.5.31 By: Marion Delgado http://theartfulamoeba.com/2011/01/26/the-borg-of-the-microbes-takes-up-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-1892 Mon, 09 May 2011 01:16:09 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=4121#comment-1892 I am working on a webcomic (theoretically about the shadow biosphere) where amoebae are the narrative characters for early history (following the conceit that they’re “immortal” and hence have seen it all, and that they learned about the pre-biotic RNA world by absorbing the information chemically – plus some pseudopod-waving). This blog is a gold mine, and this posting in particular. I’m already scandalously distorting every inch of the story, with anthropormism throughout, conflation of different eras, compression and expansion of time, wild speculation about the RNA world and shadow biosphere treated as established, full-on Lynn Margulis-everything, etc.

So every time I see the amoeba given credit for doing amazing things I feel that much less guilty.

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By: Und Zees is How we Culture Cellular Schleim Molds in Germany . . . http://theartfulamoeba.com/2011/01/26/the-borg-of-the-microbes-takes-up-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-1624 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:22:51 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=4121#comment-1624 […] D. discoideum is the species I wrote about in January in which some strains were recently discovered to practice agriculture, or something close to it, […]

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By: Jennifer Frazer http://theartfulamoeba.com/2011/01/26/the-borg-of-the-microbes-takes-up-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-1181 Mon, 31 Jan 2011 06:05:34 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=4121#comment-1181 QB —
Thanks for your thoughts! I am not sure they’ve proven that this is farming as opposed to “husbandry” since they are not sure if the amoebas do any tending, weeding, watering, swearing at deer/moles/viruses, etc. However, they do very clearly seem to take them along with them for the purpose of feeding fairly soon after the spores land at the new spot. Birds, on the other hand, don’t collect mistletoe berries for consumption later, they eat them right away, and as a byproduct of that consumption, they excrete the seeds elsewhere. After quite a while (maybe years), the plant may produce fruit. But whether that same bird will be around to eat it is questionable.

To put it more plainly, I don’t think it’s intent that matters. I think it’s a question of use and timing. In the case of the slime mold, they refrain from eating and take the bacteria with them on a long journey. When they arrive, they plant and wait for their preferred food source to multiply, and then feed on it relatively soon after arrival. Without the seed, there may have been little or nothing to eat. Thus the amoeba that brings the “seed” benefits directly and relatively soon from its transport of foodstock. Personally, I’d call that, but not what the birds do, farming. Good thought experiment, though!

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By: Jennifer Frazer http://theartfulamoeba.com/2011/01/26/the-borg-of-the-microbes-takes-up-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-1180 Mon, 31 Jan 2011 05:09:37 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=4121#comment-1180 Hi Geoff,
Thanks for reading — I’m glad you’re here. Here are some good places to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slime_mold
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/protista/slimemolds.html
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~bioslabs/studies/invertebrates/dicty.html
And although I have not read it, this looks to be a great more-in-depth look, if you can get your hands on a copy:
http://www.amazon.com/Social-Amoebae-Biology-Cellular-Slime/dp/0691139393

As for the origins of multicellular life, I think slime molds may tell us a lot, but never the whole story. They started out as amoebas, and amoebas have their own peculiar characteristics and abilities. Plants, animals, fungi, and the other major multicellular groups probably started out as very different single-celled organisms, and early aggregations of those kind of cells may have had very different properties than slime molds do. It’s also worth mentioning that those early attempts at multicellularity took place in an aqueous environment — the ocean. I don’t know what sort of difference that might make, but probably some because marine organisms don’t have to fight gravity the way those of us bound to land must. On the other hand, it is possible this sort of in-between phase may have happened several other times in Earth’s past in spite of these differences — but without one hell of a lucky fossil, we’ll probably never know!

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By: quantumbiologist http://theartfulamoeba.com/2011/01/26/the-borg-of-the-microbes-takes-up-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-1175 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 03:12:48 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=4121#comment-1175 Awesome write-up! I love the in-depth explanations. If there are other species that farm besides the slime molds and leafcutter ants, I’d agree that they must be social — even specialized for certain tasks.

But I wonder, is farming defined by its intentionality? If birds propagate mistletoe berries unwittingly, fertilizing them with their feces and “planting” them on the tree branches they’re bound to frequent again, we don’t call it farming, even though the effect is similar. There must be a certain amount of intentional care paid to the berries’ development, right? But if intent is key, can a completely witless organism like a slime mold be said to really “farm,” when it seems to be merely, as you put it, packing a lunch?

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By: geoff rogers http://theartfulamoeba.com/2011/01/26/the-borg-of-the-microbes-takes-up-farming/comment-page-1/#comment-1163 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:31:38 +0000 http://theartfulamoeba.com/?p=4121#comment-1163 Hello Jennifer,
The most facinating aspect of these social amobea is the ability to come together as a “slug”!, to act in unison as a multicellue organism! Where can I learn more of this behavior, and what can we extrapolate from this behavior about the origins of early life on earth?
Thanks for the great blog.
Geoff

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